I know it has been a while since the last show but here it is, finally another community roundtable. In this episode we have Chase, Daze and Sobrguy all doing the show once again using the PSEye on the PSN. We touch on a wide range of topics today so enjoy the show and leave your comments. Remember there is also an audio file to download if you would rather listen instead of watching the show.
- Third Party Developers: What's The Deal?
- Do Developers Need to Work Harder or Will Things Stay The Same?
- Dante's Inferno
- PS3 Firmware 3.00 Impressions
- PSP Go vs. PSP 3000
- Microsoft Lowers Their Standards. What Affect Will That Have on Multiplatform Games?
- What's Going on With the Wii?
- MUCH MUCH MORE
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written by David Simpson, September 11, 2009
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written by otherZinc, September 13, 2009
It amazes me how people can say the PS3 exclusives blow the 360's out of the water as far as looks. Let me tell you, Uncharted is the most overrated looking game of all times. Uncharted doesn't look better than Ninja Gaiden 2 on the 360, & don't tell me Uncharted is realistic because it isn't, its a cartoon game like the rest of them. It seems as if you guys say something enough it must be true; it isn't!
Killozne 2, you guys rant & rave about the games looks, but Killzone 2 has Zero substance. For instance, where in the hell is the co-op? Why is Killzone 2 so linear? Why does Killzone 2 have re-spawning enemies? Why do the environments look so basic? Why can you blow-up a building & the building next to it, on either side; you cant leave a mark, bullet hole, burn mark from the rocket launcher, anything: you can see nothing that resembles a shot being fire at the building. I'll tell you why, GG & SONY wouldn't have the memory to make the game look as good as it does, that isn't close to the beauty that most media says it is.
I've just listened to the beginning of this podcast, I'll continue now.
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written by aclaw4u, September 13, 2009
ninja gaiden 2 looks better than uncharted 2? what kind of crack are you smoking? Have you even played killzone 2 or are you just listing stuff all the 360 fanboys have posted? DO YOU EVEN OWN A PS3? LOL. basic environments? so all the random floating ash in visari hammer is basic? Wow, that comment was straight out of the fanboy handbook. Besides, graphics arent everything. Good show dave and guys. I got a psEYE can i be in the next one?
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written by otherZinc, September 13, 2009
@aclaw4u,
I don't have time for fanboy garbage, I tell it like it is. I beat the hell out of Killzone 2, in fact I've played every important video game since 1976 & Pong, then my mother bought us an Atari 2600 at Sears for $400 in 1978. I'm a Veteran Gamer, period.
When I say basic environments, I'm talking about the difficulty of the level. The levels in Killzone 2 look like it was filmed in the construction district in Gary Indiana on 11th & Chase Street. There isn't 1 level in Killzone 2 like fighting in that Worm in Gears 2, for example. Since you don't think I've played the game: that building I'm talking about, you can start shooting at it before anyone comes out & by the time they can shoot at you, the building can come crashing down on them. Now, shoot the buildings on either side, they cant be damaged; Killzone 2 is all script. Even the bridge you blow-up, why cant you destroy the other bridges?
Why cant we drive that fake Warthog like jeep, when in Halo 3, you can drive or ride in the passenger seats in most of the vehicles you see; flying or driving. Why did driving the tank suck in Killzone 2? I pounded Killzone 2 so hard, I beat the first 2 & 1/2 stages with the Pistol, & had the Rocket launcher on my back just to test the physics of the game out. I love FPS to death, even the terrible controls the game had before they changed them didnt bother me, I'm good like that.
I can go on & on about Killzone 2 all day, but I need to go, I'll be back. Also, I like the podcasts on this site & will continue to listen, they are very entertaining. I'll finish this podcast Sunday sometime.
I don't have time for fanboy garbage, I tell it like it is. I beat the hell out of Killzone 2, in fact I've played every important video game since 1976 & Pong, then my mother bought us an Atari 2600 at Sears for $400 in 1978. I'm a Veteran Gamer, period.
When I say basic environments, I'm talking about the difficulty of the level. The levels in Killzone 2 look like it was filmed in the construction district in Gary Indiana on 11th & Chase Street. There isn't 1 level in Killzone 2 like fighting in that Worm in Gears 2, for example. Since you don't think I've played the game: that building I'm talking about, you can start shooting at it before anyone comes out & by the time they can shoot at you, the building can come crashing down on them. Now, shoot the buildings on either side, they cant be damaged; Killzone 2 is all script. Even the bridge you blow-up, why cant you destroy the other bridges?
Why cant we drive that fake Warthog like jeep, when in Halo 3, you can drive or ride in the passenger seats in most of the vehicles you see; flying or driving. Why did driving the tank suck in Killzone 2? I pounded Killzone 2 so hard, I beat the first 2 & 1/2 stages with the Pistol, & had the Rocket launcher on my back just to test the physics of the game out. I love FPS to death, even the terrible controls the game had before they changed them didnt bother me, I'm good like that.
I can go on & on about Killzone 2 all day, but I need to go, I'll be back. Also, I like the podcasts on this site & will continue to listen, they are very entertaining. I'll finish this podcast Sunday sometime.
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written by David Simpson, September 13, 2009
@otherzinc - every game has a different art style and every game has different things going on. The opinions that I state are my own and your eyes see what your eyes see simple as that. I also said Batman AA looks better than Gears, but that is my opinion (and one I will take the Pepsi challenge on any day). Ninja Gaiden 2 and Uncharted don't even have the same art style and if you want to talk about environments, tell me what is destrucible in NG2? Nothing, so since the only thing to go by is the beta and the beta (the coop story mode part specifically) has a lot more going on than NG2 (explosions, affects, physics, AI, etc). And is NG2 realistic? I think not my friend.
I do understand what you are talking about in KZ2 but if we are just talking about graphics (and physics too if you really want to go there), and that's all I was talking about, KZ2 and Uncharted are both great looking games, but they don't look the same in any form or fashion. I didn't say anything about driving vehicles or anything else and matter of fact I didn't even mention KZ2 in this episode I only really mentioned Uncharted 2. If you want to talk about destruction and effects and things like that, Battlefield and Red Faction did the best job imo so far this generation with that so far as I can remember.
Oh and the only exclusives I can think of on the 360 are Left for Dead, Fable, Gears, Too Human, Halo, Mass Effect, Forza and that is all that comes to mind but feel free to correct me (and I am only talking about the most popular exclusives and the ones that are out or coming out this year). So if you compare all the exclusives on each console in my opinion,(emphasis on MY) PS3 exclusives eclipsed 360 exclusives a while ago. I still think MGS4 is the best looking console game this generation period. Either you need glasses or you are playing on an SDTV and everything looks like shit no matter what game you are playing. And you must really hate Sony if you can't see the quality in all their exclusive Sony published titles. I give credit where credit is due and you kinda sound like the fanboy right now. We can argue all day but instead I will say this, to each their own and it is up to everyone to play what they like for their own personal reasons. Thanks for coming to the site and if you have time listen to the rest of the show. Oh and 90% of console games look like shit compared to PC games.....
@aclaw4u - yeah man you can be on the next show. I added you to my friends list so I will make sure and let you know when the next community roundtable is. Make sure you drop me a message to remind me if I forget.
I do understand what you are talking about in KZ2 but if we are just talking about graphics (and physics too if you really want to go there), and that's all I was talking about, KZ2 and Uncharted are both great looking games, but they don't look the same in any form or fashion. I didn't say anything about driving vehicles or anything else and matter of fact I didn't even mention KZ2 in this episode I only really mentioned Uncharted 2. If you want to talk about destruction and effects and things like that, Battlefield and Red Faction did the best job imo so far this generation with that so far as I can remember.
Oh and the only exclusives I can think of on the 360 are Left for Dead, Fable, Gears, Too Human, Halo, Mass Effect, Forza and that is all that comes to mind but feel free to correct me (and I am only talking about the most popular exclusives and the ones that are out or coming out this year). So if you compare all the exclusives on each console in my opinion,(emphasis on MY) PS3 exclusives eclipsed 360 exclusives a while ago. I still think MGS4 is the best looking console game this generation period. Either you need glasses or you are playing on an SDTV and everything looks like shit no matter what game you are playing. And you must really hate Sony if you can't see the quality in all their exclusive Sony published titles. I give credit where credit is due and you kinda sound like the fanboy right now. We can argue all day but instead I will say this, to each their own and it is up to everyone to play what they like for their own personal reasons. Thanks for coming to the site and if you have time listen to the rest of the show. Oh and 90% of console games look like shit compared to PC games.....
@aclaw4u - yeah man you can be on the next show. I added you to my friends list so I will make sure and let you know when the next community roundtable is. Make sure you drop me a message to remind me if I forget.
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written by gmoney0505, September 13, 2009
Do not argue with otherzinc. He is a rabid fanboy that argues with everyone on all the other sites about 360 and PS3. He will always find ways to twist a PS3 game to the way that he does not like it to the point where it doesn't make sense anymore. He feels that every game should be the same as the other games and no games should be different. Please just do not argue with him.
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written by otherZinc, September 13, 2009
@gmoney0505,
I can speak for myself. Thanks.
@David,
I'm listening to the rest of the podcast now.
You're correct, to each his own, I'm not blind, I have a 50" SAMSUNG 1080p DLP, & its crystal clear you've never played through the end of Ninja Gaiden 2. There is so much **** going on in NG2 it will make your head spin. At the same time, I didnt finish Uncharted, but I will finish it before Uncharted 2.
The reason I brought up the other aspects of games was you used the term "Quality", with that said, its my opinion that certain genre's should have standard features, Killzone 2 should have co-op, COD:MW1 shouldve had co-op, Battlefield should have had co-op, see what I'm saying? When someone says quality to me, I'm thinking the entire product, all aspects, modes, & features.
Killzone 2 had that cursing @ss Richo running with you the entire game, tell me one of your boys shouldn't be able to take control of him, to roll together in some co-op (nohomo). I'm not saying co-op should be in every game, just military games where a squad is present. For instance: Uncharted 2 doesn't need co-op but they are giving it to you anyway, that's going the extra mile for the consumer & that's what serving your community is all about! Uncharted 2 is also adding a multi player that it didnt need to have: when I say it didnt need it, I'm talking about games such as Ninja Gaiden, Resident Evil, Bioshock, Splinter Cell, Tomb Raider etc... games that are devoted to single player with no squads present. Although Splinter Cell & a few others have added co-op they didnt need to & I commend companies for their extra work.
I thought Red Faction was terrible.
With your exclusives, you can add Crackdown & a few others to that. However, with the sales of the 360 exclusives, that point can be dealt with on its own. As far as the rest of 2009, Halo 3:ODST will outsell Uncharted 2 & Ratchet & Clank by itself, there's no need to add Forza 3 & Left 4 Dead 2. But, as you said, its the gamers preference as the games they like or dislike.
As far the portion of the podcast I've listened to. I don't remember who said this, M$ is gypping people because of the RROD. I don't think so, They Are Absolutely Pissing People Off For 10 DAYS! Yeah, I've been pissed four times with 2 consoles (my sons & mine). But you know, I've yet to spend 1 Dime on a repair. Now SONY, if you are 1 day over your warranty: $150! I would hurt someone, that's gypping people.
Also, Online Play; SONY was online before the XBOX in 2002, they were sabotaging the Dreamcast saying: "the PS2 is going to be wireless broadband out of the box & going to be much better than the Dreamcasts online structure". That was before the XBOX, SONY thought they could live off the past success of the PS1 & PS2, well surprise, the 360 took that online torch & wont let it go. So, SONY should be criticized for their terrible online structure, there's no excuse for what they have now.
I can speak for myself. Thanks.
@David,
I'm listening to the rest of the podcast now.
You're correct, to each his own, I'm not blind, I have a 50" SAMSUNG 1080p DLP, & its crystal clear you've never played through the end of Ninja Gaiden 2. There is so much **** going on in NG2 it will make your head spin. At the same time, I didnt finish Uncharted, but I will finish it before Uncharted 2.
The reason I brought up the other aspects of games was you used the term "Quality", with that said, its my opinion that certain genre's should have standard features, Killzone 2 should have co-op, COD:MW1 shouldve had co-op, Battlefield should have had co-op, see what I'm saying? When someone says quality to me, I'm thinking the entire product, all aspects, modes, & features.
Killzone 2 had that cursing @ss Richo running with you the entire game, tell me one of your boys shouldn't be able to take control of him, to roll together in some co-op (nohomo). I'm not saying co-op should be in every game, just military games where a squad is present. For instance: Uncharted 2 doesn't need co-op but they are giving it to you anyway, that's going the extra mile for the consumer & that's what serving your community is all about! Uncharted 2 is also adding a multi player that it didnt need to have: when I say it didnt need it, I'm talking about games such as Ninja Gaiden, Resident Evil, Bioshock, Splinter Cell, Tomb Raider etc... games that are devoted to single player with no squads present. Although Splinter Cell & a few others have added co-op they didnt need to & I commend companies for their extra work.
I thought Red Faction was terrible.
With your exclusives, you can add Crackdown & a few others to that. However, with the sales of the 360 exclusives, that point can be dealt with on its own. As far as the rest of 2009, Halo 3:ODST will outsell Uncharted 2 & Ratchet & Clank by itself, there's no need to add Forza 3 & Left 4 Dead 2. But, as you said, its the gamers preference as the games they like or dislike.
As far the portion of the podcast I've listened to. I don't remember who said this, M$ is gypping people because of the RROD. I don't think so, They Are Absolutely Pissing People Off For 10 DAYS! Yeah, I've been pissed four times with 2 consoles (my sons & mine). But you know, I've yet to spend 1 Dime on a repair. Now SONY, if you are 1 day over your warranty: $150! I would hurt someone, that's gypping people.
Also, Online Play; SONY was online before the XBOX in 2002, they were sabotaging the Dreamcast saying: "the PS2 is going to be wireless broadband out of the box & going to be much better than the Dreamcasts online structure". That was before the XBOX, SONY thought they could live off the past success of the PS1 & PS2, well surprise, the 360 took that online torch & wont let it go. So, SONY should be criticized for their terrible online structure, there's no excuse for what they have now.
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written by aclaw4u, September 13, 2009
otherZinc wrote:
"Halo 3:ODST will outsell Uncharted 2 & Ratchet & Clank by itself"
lol now thats just straight crazy. ps3 sales are skyrocketing dude.
"Halo 3:ODST will outsell Uncharted 2 & Ratchet & Clank by itself"
lol now thats just straight crazy. ps3 sales are skyrocketing dude.
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written by otherZinc, September 13, 2009
@aclaw4u,
That's my one of my many predictions, I don't bet but we'll see who's right, I'm right 98% of the time. Its all in fun debate for me, whats your predictions?
Also, I've finished listening to the podcast, very entertaining, about to load the new Accelerated podcast now. Keep up the good work.
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written by David Simpson, September 13, 2009
@otherzinc - The only thing I can really say is arguing about opinions and talking about facts are 2 different things. you do seem like the type of person who will argue things til the death so I will just leave it at that. Play what you wanna play and think what you wanna think because I am still gonna do what I do and have the opinions that I have.
For the record I do think ODST will outsell those games just because it is Halo. The one comment that you made that I will address is the one about game sales and how 360 games sold more. This is very true for the most part but the sales of a game don't make the game good, I still think there are games, such as GTAIV, that sold a lot that were over hyped and not all that. But like I said you are entitled to your opinion and you can do whatever you want with your money.
For the record I do think ODST will outsell those games just because it is Halo. The one comment that you made that I will address is the one about game sales and how 360 games sold more. This is very true for the most part but the sales of a game don't make the game good, I still think there are games, such as GTAIV, that sold a lot that were over hyped and not all that. But like I said you are entitled to your opinion and you can do whatever you want with your money.
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written by otherZinc, September 14, 2009
@David,
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to argue about games, games are what I use to escape the bs of real life. However, games are my passion & everything we talk about is debatable, there are no absolutes here, just opinions & predictions. The only one Really getting paid is Michael Pachter, I enjoy out forecasting him each year.
I'm training my son to stay up with current events so he can have an easy job like Pachter, making big bank, doing something fun like gaming.
Halo 3:ODST isn't going to sell on name alone, it will sell because they are the most trusted developer on the 360. Meaning, hit, after hit, after hit, now a FPS non-linear Halo game is next, I expect the same results, greatness!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to argue about games, games are what I use to escape the bs of real life. However, games are my passion & everything we talk about is debatable, there are no absolutes here, just opinions & predictions. The only one Really getting paid is Michael Pachter, I enjoy out forecasting him each year.
I'm training my son to stay up with current events so he can have an easy job like Pachter, making big bank, doing something fun like gaming.
Halo 3:ODST isn't going to sell on name alone, it will sell because they are the most trusted developer on the 360. Meaning, hit, after hit, after hit, now a FPS non-linear Halo game is next, I expect the same results, greatness!
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written by T-Cal, September 14, 2009
Good show, mane. I enjoy the Nintendo Wii discussion. I dont know about the poor sales of The Conduit. On old releases/remakes, I hope Capcom do a PSN release of Rival Schools, and they make a sequel for Marvel Vs Capcom, not Dinsey Vs Capcom. I would also like to see a remake of Double Dragon.
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written by David Simpson, September 14, 2009
@ T-Cal - How in the hell did I forget about Double Dragon lol. For reals man that would be sick, that used to be my favorite franchise on the NES when I was young, how could I forget. I was never into RPG's so fighting games and stuff like DD was what I played. Good idea man, we gotta start making some calls
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I agree with Dave about the boss battle in Batman:AA being weak sauce. I hated the Killer Croc boss battle that was even weaker sauce. To me the game is a 8.5. It is nowhere as being a better superhero game than inFAMOUS but it is probably the best game based on a comic book.
They just posted a video of Fat Princess on the ps blog about a new patch and new maps coming for the game. They would not say anything about new classes coming.
Keep the roundtable going.