Comments for PS3 Fan's Shouts of Bias at http://www.thegameraccess.com , comment 1 to 34 out of 20 comments http://www.thegameraccess.com Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:26:22 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3644 @Pikmin. It still sort of is. - Louie Villalobos Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:33:03 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3640 Well it was SonyPS3News.com a while back.... - PikminGuts92 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:50:39 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3621 Great article! I read it last week and I just read it again and checked peoples responses. I'm tired at this point and dont feel like typing or debating much but what I will say is this. To ALL people saying that ps3 owners or "fanboys" or whatever are stupid then that must make you utterly retarded seeing that you would buy a piece of hardware knowing it has abnormally high failure rate basically telling the manufacturers of america that that kind of business is ok. Dumbass. Oh and one last thing too. People like some teams, cars, and computers better than others but you dont call them fanboys do you? If a person prefers Sony more (or even Microsoft) and has intelligent valid points for why then SHUT THE **** up and let people be. It's not a crime nor is it a big deal if people like what they like. Think about that and chill out next time you think about using that waste of a word. - Zac Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:07:34 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3606 ps3gameraccess.com! - Louie Villalobos Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:25:44 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3605 PS3 Fanboys spend more time trolling PS3 fanboy websites (like this one!) then they do buying games for their own console. Fact. End of discussion. Your console base exceeds that of the 360 now (thanks to the millions of 360's that are sitting dead in landfills and repair depot heaps). So why are your AAA-title games and 1st party exclusives selling in such low numbers. And yes, sales do matter folks. This is a business, not a fanboy welfare state. Halo ODST outsold Killzone 2 in less than 24 hours. And while their online playing their favorite, if not over-hyped game, you Sony PS3 fanboys sit here in forums whining and making excuses for why your console is in last place and your games sell in poor numbers. My advice to you is to logoff this PS3 Fanboy site, go to your local retailer and purchase 5 of the top PS3 games right now. Support your retailers and support your console developers. And quite being fanboys. Seriously, you are the worst part of the PS3 experience, hands down. Let's make an official "The www.ps3gameraccess.com" website challenge, shall we? Let's see which console sells more copies of Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2. Does anyone even remotely think it will be the PS3? - Soh Knee Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:03:04 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3558 @ pikminguts92 and Knarf Black Yea Pikmin I agree that games have moved on since NG2's release. I even mention taht in the part where i say progressed.. The odd thing is that gaming had also moved on since the release of Virtua Fighter 5 yet, VF5 online still scored higher. The circumstance are similar for both games yet u get different results..and maybe this is down to all the reviewers being different people, but it still doesn't necessarily make it justified what IGN did. and Knarf you sir are right lol the Copy & paste function I used i forgot to change Bias to BIaseed lol guess thats why cats dont have wings anymore lol - Shamarri Miller Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:24:40 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3557 when the ps3 came out most people were too poor to buy one so they brought a 360 but were then brainwashed by it and now cant see sense - Phoenix_Junior Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:15:46 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3556 I'm pretty sure every time you use "bias" when you should be using "biased" a kitty cat loses its wings... or something. Also, all the talk of media bias is making it harder to distinguish fanboy discourse from Republican. I guess that makes sense; the console wars basically amount to nerd politics. - Knarf Black Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:21:43 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3555 The original Ninja Gaiden 2 on the Xbox 360 was released over a year ago. I don't believe they compared NGS2 to NG2. I think it scored lower because of today's standards. They probably were comparing it to today's games. I wouldn't call that biased. If NG2 had been released on the same day on both consoles, they'd both have the same review score. - PikminGuts92 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:31:14 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3554 I appreciate your research friend.. So I will respond to you. Argument 1 Fact 1-1 Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 on PS3 is = Virtua Fighter 5 online on 360.. You say the removal of the blood docks the score..But, doesn't the increase in resolution,the increase in texture quality,the inclusion of online-cop, and layout changes in the stages make this game as big an upgrade as VF5 online Fact 1-2 UT3 did run better than the PS3 version, but the reason it wasn't rated as high as the PS3 version was the removal of the customization features. Things like having community created maps added infinite replayabilty that the 360 version could clearly never match thx to microsoft's strict network poilicies. So I don't really see how Xbox fans could complain. Argument 2 Fact 1-1 I never claimed anywhere in this article that Gamesradar was biased. I merely gave an example of why some PS3 gamers might call them Bias.. I'm not saying PS3 fans were right but if you actually click on the link then you will see how private hoffman clearly pointed out discrepancies in their coverage of killzone 2 in comparison to a game like Gears of War 2 Fact 2-2 With Halo ODST review score it was somewhat of a toss up and to be honest I think gamesradar nailed their review. Now for what was in the package it was great if you were a newbie, however, if you were a Halo fan then it was clear that Microsoft was taking you to the bank because the value of the map pack is vastly diminished for most Halo fans because they already owned thos maps.. So how do you justify the $60 price tag to them? It was clear Microsoft wanted to take them to the bank because the Campaign and firefight mode in ODST should have been DLC, at the very least , because Halo 3 fans shouldnt be forced to rebuy content they already have. Also check out my article coming later about ODST Argument 3 Fact 3-1 you're right GRID did turn out to be better on the 360, but gametrailers behavior still seemed fishy, with their selection of crash animation. I mean it was the same game yet the crash scene of the side that was labeled 360 were clearly better. I guess we will have to agree to disagree argument 4 4-1 im not saying Edge is biased, again I merely point out examples as to why PS3 fans feel they are... And you can not honestly tell me that the production values of MGS4 and Killzone 2 didn't at the very least match Halo 3 and Gears 2?? I mean come on bro be serious... I'm not saying that edge is wrong for their scores.. I just feel that there was too much opinion in the review... As a package..content wise all those games are about equal and offer equal levels of polish.. Now I agree reviews are opinions but only to an extent.. I may not like the way Halo 3's pacing is yet as a reviewer I feel it is my job to discern that the pacing just doesn't work for me but the game still works in the confines of what a triple A title is supposed to have and I need to acknowledge that.. Cause my review is supposed to be an informative piece, otherwise a proffesional review is an oxymoron, cause how can one opinion be any more proffesional than yours or mine?? That's why I feel like reviewers have a responsibilty to take themselves out of the equasion some times. Argument 4-2 IGN usually gives high scores in general so i fail to see the point. Also I just used IGN as an example, and gave an example as to why some PS3 fans say the suck..and you're right their are some fickle PS3 fans out their and I wont defend those guys Thx for taking sometime out of your day to have this discussion.. I'm glad we could have a civil debate. Oh and their logic is naw flawed whats flawed are the Discrepancies I pointed out..I'd like to hear your opinions on those later - Shamarri Miller Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:45:55 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3553 Their logic is flawed, their arguments are weak, and they just don't make sense. Let's deconstruct all the arguments: Argument 1: A site is biased because they gave NGS2 a score lower then NG2 Fact 1-1: NGS2 does not contain some of the features NG2 contains (for example blood and gore level) so it's not just improvements over an older iteration (which sells for much less now), hence the lower score in some websites. And still NGS2 has a higher metacritic average. This is not a similar case with VF5 online, which is a vast improvement in all areas over VF5 Fact 1-2: UT3 for the X360 was an improved versions with more modes, maps, tweaks and better graphics then the PS3 version of UT3. It came about half a year later and receives a lower score in most reviews (metacritic 82 vs 86). No X360 fanboys complained. Nobody even cared. That's because Xbox fanboys are not a bunch of whinning dumbf*cks like the PS3 bunch we see today. Argument 2: Gamesradar is biased against Killzone 2 and favors X360 shooters. Fact 2-1: There's not even a reasonable way to back this argument. On the contrary: Killzone 2 Recieved 90 in Gamesradar, which is as close as it gets to its metacritic average. Fact 2-2: Halo ODST which came out in the same year got a 70 from Gamesradar. That's 15 points below it's metacritic average and the lowest score by far from a major gaming website. Again, Xbox fanboys didn't bitch like the PS fanboys always do, they simply moved on and played an excellent game. PS3 Fanboys will bitch about any grade Killzone 2 gets. They even bitched about Xplay giving it 5/5 because the reviewer didn't sound "enthusiastic enough"... Argument 3: GT is biased because they mislabeled a picture of X360 GRID video as a PS3 GRID video. Fact 1-1: This was just a typing error and was quickly corrected Fact 1-2: GT didn't even imply that the X360 version looks better than the mistakenly labeled PS3 version. It's just the PS3 fanboys that decided that the crush on the X360 "looked cooler" than the mislabeled PS3 version. This has nothing to do with the quality of graphics and only with the low self esteem of those PS3 fanboys. The bottom line is that GRID does look better on the X360 with better AA etc. like most multiplatform games. And you don't need shoddy videos from Gametrailers (who were never a professional source) since you have the in depth analysis of Eurogamer to verify that: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/x360-vs-ps3-face-off-round-12-article?page=3 Argument 4: Edge is biased against the PS3 because MGS 4 and Killzone 2 recieved lower score than the perfect 10 Halo 3 got and the 9 Gears got. Fact 4-1: Demon's Souls was just released and got a 9 from Edge. LBP was the *only* game to get a perfect 10 from Edge in 2008 and the GOTY awards. Both are PS3 exclusives. How can someone claim they are biased against the PS3? Fact 4-2: IGN usually gives PS3 exclusive games higher scores than other outlets and higher scores than X360 games. Do you hear any PS3 fanboy bitching about them and how unbalanced their reviews are? That's the finest example of PS3 fanboy hypocrisy for you: Dismiss any magazine that gives a PS3 game a lower score as "biased" and then forget about it on the next time a PS3 game gets a high score (for example: Gamespot before and after the perfect 10 for MGS4) So, while there are many rants from PS3 fanboys, when deconstructing these "arguments" one by one we actually see that they don't really make any sense. The fanboys go for quantity, but they don't realize that 10 illogical and flawed arguments don't add up to even a single logical argument - Guy Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:56:55 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3552 Fantastic article. and to the guy above me, he had a lot of proof. Go play k2 and mgs4 and you'll see why. and that whole game trailers incident was crazy. i always thought they were doing things like that but when it was proven, i was shocked. Ps3 dominates the 360. end of story. all you guys have is online base that we are going to pass very soon. And you guys have halo. Not even a good game, but because it saved the xbox, it develop the massive fan base it has now. because of that game, people miss out on better FPS like resistance. And i've played both games. Resistance is better by far. part 2 wasnt that good to me though. - seven times Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:16:23 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3551 I appreciate the sentiment of the article, but you did a little bit of manipulation which I think undermines your point(s). Every example you gave, such as Killzone not getting enough coverage, you only cited one or two publications where the example took place. That obviously doesn't suggest a trend. Maybe gametrailers or EDGE has a bias against Sony and the PS3, but showing an example from each doesn't support that argument. In the case of Killzone 2, what you're suggesting is a blatant lie. Killzone received boatloads of attention. I don't own a PS3 yet from the time of that first CG trailer through its release, I didn't stop hearing about the game. And only positive things. I rarely heard or read a critical remark concerning the game. If you want to point out isolated incidents that caused the collective loud mouthed fan base on Sony's end get their panties in a bunch, that's fine. But don't treat this like an objective justification for why nominally intelligent people can become blathering idiots because their favorite console sometimes isn't favored by the press. - Tchock Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:34:40 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3550 Nice article. Too bad there are 20 million immature "fanboys" lurking around just to spew FUD. You should do an artilce on Microsoft's advertising practices, and who they have investments with. Until recently MS owned 150 million shares of Comcast which in turn ownes G4 TV which is often sited as being xbox biased which would explain much of there lean toward MS consoles\softwware. I'm pretty sure if you dug deep enough you'd find some very interesting evidence of playing the game below the belt. It's funny how blantaly ignorant xbox fans knowledge is on corporate MS. There is a reason why MS is so dispised around the world. Actually there are many. Again great article! - Non Bias Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:19:15 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3548 Since when do multiplats set the bar for anything? You reach there because that is all you have kid. When 360 exclusives hold up to PS3's come run your mouth. Till then why don't you stick to playing Halo with those millions of other kids tricked into being left in the last gen. Oh yeah your 360 upscales to 1080 lol. You have no true 1080 games worth putting in your machine. - UDreamz Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:00:06 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3547 The ps3 is INFERIOR to the 360. Check out Eurogamers game comparisons that continually show the 360 dominates the ps3 on comparable games. The 360 dominates the ps3 on... Texture resolution Screen Resolution Frames per second 1080p gaming, the 360 wipes the floor with the ps3 in this department Post Processing (Anti Aliasing for instance, the ps3 often falling back on upscaling to blur the image output) Scene detail The ps3 has a crippled architexture... it's the INFOERIOR machine - Touchy sonyfanboys Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:36:24 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3546 @ K.O you sir totally missed the point of the article. I was merely stating why some PS3 fans shout Bias. You can get mad all you want but I didn't waste your time.. Nobody forced you to click the clink. And if that's how you feel well my friend don't let the door hit your arse on the wat out - Shamarri Miller Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:59:59 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3545 PS3 fanboys are delusional. These are some metacritic scores of PS3 exclusives: Uncharted 2 - 97 Killzone - 91 MSG4 - 94 You still think there's bias? The media is giving very good scores to these PS3 exclusives. PS3 fanboys are crazy because they get up in arms when any website does not give a 90+ review for their beloved AAA titles. Who cares if one website gave Killzone a 7? Its metacritic is 91 which means the majority of the sites think it is a great title. PS3 fanboys need to get a life. - Lord Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:38:48 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3544 I think you smoked up too much while writing this article. Im not a supporter of any console in particular as i own both and love playing on em. People who cry "Bias" are those without a life and total wuss like you who have nothing to do in life but just cry. Games are a form of entertainment, does SONY pay you to bitch against these sites so to get their REP up? You just another FANBOY who wants to cry out loud and lick sonys ass.. About the Facts, Halo vs MGS (check the multiplayer option, framerate issues while playing online, number of ppl playing online etc etc.. and then speak abt comparison). You totally wasted my time!! regardz, K.O - K.O Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:24:22 +0100 http://www.thegameraccess.com/articles/ps3/ps3-fans-shouts-of-bias#comment-3543 Very well written, and well thought out. I applaud you, sir. - Indigo Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:52:08 +0100